Quote from Glenn67 :

:smash3d: You hit the nail on the head. Except for me it's about racing with friends...

Nail on the thread?

Quote from danowat :

LFS will continue as it's always done, a patch here and there, people coming and going, but it will always be there and will always be improved as time goes by, albeit, slowly.

+1

And some of us will keep playing.
Interesting sidenote: The more you race, the faster it wears out. In some years all that will be left in LFS will be beginners ("kids") and casual racers ("old farts with busy life")

I hate Autocad as well, and am unable to achieve simple tasks with it despite years of attempts.
I use(d) SWK a lot at work, when my job required me to actually engineer something, and have always loved the flexibility it brings to 3D work. It gives the user a power to edit back the work up to the base sketch in a few seconds and explore all possibilities.

Drawbacks exist: due to this flexibility teamwork and reusing another designer work prove highly difficult without strong design rules...

The car does look fantastic! Thanks for sharing.

Quote from obsolum :

...That being said, CTRA Race 2 (the TBO server) has been pretty much dead for quite a while now if I'm not mistaken, so even if you did get your Silver license you probably wouldn't find much good TBO racing on CTRA either...

I agree with the rest of your post, however I do not think that Race 2 is dead at all...
Attendance is variable but once a few are in it magically fills up.
I had a few races there last night (endurance day, 14-19 laps on BL1) and apart from finishing my races 30 seconds later than the leaders (G25 effect! still 1.5 seconds off my mouse pb for BL1/XRT ) it was as good and clean as usual, with above 50% drivers finishing the races.
Stick to it and the silver license will come by itself. Seeing how (not)fast I am, I'm pretty sure a majority of racers can reach silver easily.

CTRA grants points for speed but also cleanliness granted you finish high enough in the grid, better concentrate on this first! Speed (or some of it) will come eventually. Just race on race 1 and try to fight (fair) each race, even if out of points.

Quote from SoloNijN :

i had a BF1 with 25000 BHP...

How good a drive does that provide?
I had my firsts BF1 races on dMr server this week and the last thing I want is more power on this insane car...

Quote from fazza430 :

Well atm the regular BNJ is full of noobs, and the racers who even have a tiny bit of skill are always being crashed out by these noobs.

Stick to it and teach the noobs. Then the higher license userbase will be sufficient to introduce a second restricted server

The dev team spent quite some time updating the online part for patch Z re-uniting licensed and demo racers / hosts.
Please explain me why they would now take a step backwards and separate demo from licensed in the forums...

Sounds interesting.
The issue with barriers will be more noticeable online of course, so maybe you should host your layout online for testing?
Lag is likely to create mayhem... because your position packets are not up to date, it is very easy to be a few cemtimeters out of position - enough to bring a tyre into a barrier, and then we wish you a nice flight

Just press the ESC key... it disables FFB
No need to spectate or pit this way

Quote from A.Ulleri :

Susan is awesome as is the hole staff.

Sorry, could not resist...
Even better out of context

The only solution I see to this problem (whatever the sim) is experience and maturity.
There are ways to acquire experience faster, but maturity... My wife would say especially difficult for people driving their computers
So iracing selects a supposedly (and apparently that works) more "mature" crew by a grown-up affordable pricing policy, whereas in LFS it is left to the server admins to find a way to attract the correct crowd.

Last edited by Mille Sabords, Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:36. Reason : added comment... and hid it

I'm looking forward to it, as I will probably no spend time tweaking XFG sets... Not my favorite car, although it is a good car for learners (but not only).

Quote from Ripley :

No, there's not such a folder.

The only thing I added was "LFS High_Res_Tracks_Volume_1.1.zip" from LFSDatabase.
All I can say is that it was my very first time with that combo (never AI-driven before), and that S2Z was my first LFS installation ever, if this can help.
I was also thinking the increased number of files was due to "experience", or something like that...

Before posting in the bug forum I wanted to know how knw things work.

The added files are not .knw files but .trs files
These .trs files represent the "darker" lines you leave on the track by racing on it.
There are a few options that affect the way this darker path is updated (I think you can select your car only, or all cars running on the track - there is also a way to make this line darker or lighter if you search the forums)
I hope this will be used in the future for changing track condition (dynamic update )

What happen is each time you race on a new track configuration LFS creates a new .trs file, and then updates it if you use this config again.

The .knw files are no more updated and have been created by Scawen for the Z patch. They give the AIs the path ("ideal" line) and I assume they are also the ones used to give you the "4" display.

I currently have 1004 files in there.

Perfectly described!
I think that's what I was using when I bumped into you on a demo server, I am sure this set can be fast but I should have studied a little bit before trying it, because it does punish inaccurate lines and (my case) inaccurate in a relaxed way braking points, braking force and throttle input.
Basically I was trying to be smooth with this set when it calls for on / off throttle - brake inputs and very precise steering.
I should take time to "tame" it for my beginner skills but... I always end up clicking on multiplayer-->race intead of garage-->practice when I start LFS

And I will not suscribe to IRental (I chose where I spend what I earn, and I do not appreciate how this project and company are advertising / marketing what looks like an excellent product) as long as there is a suitable alternative around.

On the other hand I enjoy reading this thread and seing how LFSrs make their way through IRental, so there is no need for that rant to be any longer. Thank you Intrepid, you made it clear !

Last edited by Mille Sabords, Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:11.

No way to my knowledge.
However the training lessons are useful after a new patch because of the changes in the patch, that often affect your driving.
For example the addition of clutch temperature has modified the way you can drive / launch the cars, so it is not too bad that you have to start again.
Furthermore the last lessons are not really good, only AIs overtaking... that you can do in single player with more variety and better setups.

This is out of date, and is not currently updated.
However if you press "4" you get a driving line with a colour code, green full throttle to red braking.
The line changes for each car / track.
This is one of the features that existed in the ghost car mod, now in game.
Good luck!

AIs don't train anymore I think. No more updated files after AI races like there used to be.
Stop wasting electricity

Quote from Eneko :

Hey Mille. I'm only playing for a few days now and already I'm thinking about changing from keys to mouse control. Having the throttle and brake on the mouse doesn't seem logical to me and I want them on the kb, like you recommend. However, do you have your gearchanges on the mouse buttons instead or also on the kb?

Greets!

Gears on the mouse work well, as gear changes does not happen so often and do not alter steering this much (on click instead of repeated pressure).
I also found that steering + throttle / brake on the mouse makes it painfull quickly (too much force on the buttons + pain in the wrist after a few minutes).
I recently got a G25 wheel but I foresee months of practice before I get back to the speed I had with the mouse
However the feeling / immersion can not be compared, even if I am now back to newbie pace I will not get back to mousing.

Good luck!

Vacation week - no time for G25
I will enjoy the lovely weather with my wife and kids, and watch a few movies, some wine, etc...
No basement but neither a warm welcome for the G25, plus I have to disassemble and store it after use because I have no desk, and learn using it with as little noise as possible, paddle shit and slow release of the pedals at the moment, FFB 15-20% at best
Might take some time, but I made progress
I'll keep the wheel for a while, it cost me 210€ plus nearly the same for a handbag and a purse already, maybe more to come...
Damn that's an expensive wheel.

See you online but probably next week only.

Not bad... I have access to a huge workshop where I work, I may design some parts for modifications and have them machined out of aluminum some day (when I reach the limits of the pedal set, now struggling to apply correct brake pressure - is the nixim mod ONLY a rubber pad? What thickness / stroke left on brake pedal? I have many samples of rubber and could try a few different hardnesses.
Any chance to get measurements of your spacers if they feel comfortable?

Thanks

Forget it...
I got the G25 in the end, and buying this made me feel like a teenager, with a mixed feeling of shame and joy common during this period.
So I can say the first G25 effect is to make me feel 20 odd years younger

Second effect is my lap times dropped 2-4 seconds/minute
I'll see the third effect tonight when the wife and kids get back from vacation and find out :arge:

I think it is a pretty interesting challenge to program racing AIs that behave and make good times using the same game physics as us (no dirty trick here!), so Scawen might be pulled into trying again soon - After all LFS not only here for our fun but also for his and the rest of the dev team

That's in 10 years time - my guess
So plenty of time to enjoy!

Now discussing mods - this LFS tweak is here and spreading like a disease, whatewer we want or say here.
I have seen no official reaction apart from mods dutifully removing links, attachements or too obvious references. I'm missing a statement from the dev team here...

Sorry for the hijack but it seems to me that modding is already at the gate, so I think it would be better to discuss how that will be handled rather than allowing it or not.

Not sure.
I was there with mrt and everyone wanted to end race.
It changed to LX4 with a different track and they left
Both pretty new combos, but apparently no appealing???
It seems that the users spend less time on BJ than on other servers, which is natural.
It also seems to attract drivers very quickly compared to race2 or race3 once a few are on, so more "volatile" population there. If you do not reach the threshold racers value it remains dead. Find 2-3 mates and spend some minutes there, it could well fill up